[IPCmte-L] Hilgert Puzzle Book

[Diane C Holliman]

After reading this more closely, I can not conclude that this is an 
individual effort. I see this as a "university assisted" effort.  I 
concur with Tom Manning and George G's statements, and Hollis' 
statement except for the part about this being an individual effort.
Thanks, Diane H.

Diane C Holliman wrote:


>
>Hi All,  I know this sounds like an excuse, but . . . my mom has been 
>very sick this week and last week and I am just catching up with 
>emails.  I am off campus right now--I do want to catch up with this 
>discussion. Sorry to be so tardy with my reply. Diane 
>
>Thomas J. Manning wrote:
>
>
>>The term "directed assignment" means????   When I develop new 
>educational material for students I was never specifically directed to 
>do this but it is definitely part of my job. I do lots of it at home at 
>night/weekends simply because it is easier but all of the ideas are 
>derived from my experience at VSU.  The same for research - no one ever 
>directed me to do work in this area or that area BUT if I worked 
>elsewhere I never would be working on the same projects - the 
>location/situation originates and shapes the ideas.
>     Having receipts from stores for folders, etc is great - but where 
>was the idea derived?  If this is a university precedent - I'm not 
>clear how a faculty member can write a book for a class he/she is 
>teaching but say the university community was not part of molding the 
>idea? 
>     Also, do the authors list their home or VSU address in the book? 
>     IMHO, tom manning
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ipcmte-l-bounces at lighthouse.valdosta.edu 
>[mailto:ipcmte-l-bounces at lighthouse.valdosta.edu] On Behalf Of Hollis R 
>Barnett
>Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:03 PM
>To: ipcmte-l at lighthouse.valdosta.edu
>Subject: Re: [IPCmte-L] Hilgert Puzzle Book
>
>This is also discussion not a vote.
>
>Thank you George for you comments. I agree with your opinion.
>
>I do not appreciate being referred to as a “roadblock” when I am asked 
>to protect University interest. Please see Andrew Ostapski’s letter. I 
>am sure that once we refine the disclosure forms to include evidence 
>which will support a claimed effort, the process will become much more 
>streamlined. 
>
>With the letter from Bob Bauer it is clear that this is not an assigned 
>task. I feel that we should encourage research regardless of the 
>location that it was completed.  A portion of faculty load is to do 
>research. I would hate to see faculty running from campus once they 
>have completed teaching their classes because they were afraid that 
>individual efforts could be clamed by the University. We would have 
>more parking but not a healthy productive environment.
>
>I see this as an individual effort. However, I am the chair of this 
>committee. I think that a motion should come from one of the members.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Hollis
>
>
>George Gaumond wrote:
>
>
>>Discussion, not a vote.
>>I suspect that each of us is waiting for a first vote to get a sense of 
>direction.
>>
>>Anyway:
>>1. It is clear from Bob Bauer's email that the work was not a directed 
>assignment.
>>2. The most useful information seems to be Barbara's summary of Larry's 
>verbal comments.
>>3. But, there does not seem to be any substantiation of Barbara's 
>question about the work being done during "off" hours and with personal 
>computers.
>>4. Andy's statement about using University computers and negative 
>comments about bureaucratic roadblocks did not help me understand.  I 
>did not see how "waste" would occur by being careful of separating 
>individual effort from university supported.
>>
>>My assessment:
>>The work was not an assignment and personal, not university, supplies 
>were used.
>>But, university computers were used, implying that the work was 
>performed during normal working hours.  There is no statement about 
>"weekends, evenings and summer months" as Barbara suggested.
>>
>>Based on what I read, it looks like "university assisted" effort 
>because they used "paid time within the employment period" and used VSU 
>computers.  
>>
>>Alternatively, since the phrase "other than office" is used in the 
>policy, one could define that to include a work computer, assuming that 
>no resources were used except electricity (vs. telecommunication 
>services that implies charges).  I think that mitigates the PC, but not 
>the time.
>>
>>Am I assessing too rigidly?
>>
>>George
>
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