[IPCmte-L] Hilgert Puzzle Book

[Mimi McGahee]

Great discussion and my original thoughts when this was presented is  
what Tom has said. I do this all the time especially w/online  
development but it enhances what I am teaching--I'm sure we all do it;  
it's called  being a GOOD teacher. But since this is an after the  
fact, do we give him the benefit of the doubt and just explain this to  
him so next time he will know the proper channels to go through since  
royalties are so small? As    we revise, we can use this experience to  
help us and consider this one falling in that grey area that our  
policy needs to clarify.
Mimi McGahee
Director/ETTC
Valdosta State University
http://www.ettcvsu.us

On Oct 14, 2007, at 10:51 PM, Diane C Holliman <dhollim at valdosta.edu>  
wrote:

> After reading this more closely, I can not conclude that this is an
> individual effort. I see this as a "university assisted" effort.  I
> concur with Tom Manning and George G's statements, and Hollis'
> statement except for the part about this being an individual effort.
> Thanks, Diane H.
>
> Diane C Holliman wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Hi All,  I know this sounds like an excuse, but . . . my mom has been
>> very sick this week and last week and I am just catching up with
>> emails.  I am off campus right now--I do want to catch up with this
>> discussion. Sorry to be so tardy with my reply. Diane
>>
>> Thomas J. Manning wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The term "directed assignment" means????   When I develop new
>> educational material for students I was never specifically directed  
>> to
>> do this but it is definitely part of my job. I do lots of it at  
>> home at
>> night/weekends simply because it is easier but all of the ideas are
>> derived from my experience at VSU.  The same for research - no one  
>> ever
>> directed me to do work in this area or that area BUT if I worked
>> elsewhere I never would be working on the same projects - the
>> location/situation originates and shapes the ideas.
>>    Having receipts from stores for folders, etc is great - but where
>> was the idea derived?  If this is a university precedent - I'm not
>> clear how a faculty member can write a book for a class he/she is
>> teaching but say the university community was not part of molding the
>> idea?
>>    Also, do the authors list their home or VSU address in the book?
>>    IMHO, tom manning
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ipcmte-l-bounces at lighthouse.valdosta.edu
>> [mailto:ipcmte-l-bounces at lighthouse.valdosta.edu] On Behalf Of  
>> Hollis R
>> Barnett
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:03 PM
>> To: ipcmte-l at lighthouse.valdosta.edu
>> Subject: Re: [IPCmte-L] Hilgert Puzzle Book
>>
>> This is also discussion not a vote.
>>
>> Thank you George for you comments. I agree with your opinion.
>>
>> I do not appreciate being referred to as a “roadblock” when I am  
>> asked
>> to protect University interest. Please see Andrew Ostapski’s lette 
>> r. I
>> am sure that once we refine the disclosure forms to include evidence
>> which will support a claimed effort, the process will become much  
>> more
>> streamlined.
>>
>> With the letter from Bob Bauer it is clear that this is not an  
>> assigned
>> task. I feel that we should encourage research regardless of the
>> location that it was completed.  A portion of faculty load is to do
>> research. I would hate to see faculty running from campus once they
>> have completed teaching their classes because they were afraid that
>> individual efforts could be clamed by the University. We would have
>> more parking but not a healthy productive environment.
>>
>> I see this as an individual effort. However, I am the chair of this
>> committee. I think that a motion should come from one of the members.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Hollis
>>
>>
>> George Gaumond wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Discussion, not a vote.
>>> I suspect that each of us is waiting for a first vote to get a  
>>> sense of
>> direction.
>>>
>>> Anyway:
>>> 1. It is clear from Bob Bauer's email that the work was not a  
>>> directed
>> assignment.
>>> 2. The most useful information seems to be Barbara's summary of  
>>> Larry's
>> verbal comments.
>>> 3. But, there does not seem to be any substantiation of Barbara's
>> question about the work being done during "off" hours and with  
>> personal
>> computers.
>>> 4. Andy's statement about using University computers and negative
>> comments about bureaucratic roadblocks did not help me understand.  I
>> did not see how "waste" would occur by being careful of separating
>> individual effort from university supported.
>>>
>>> My assessment:
>>> The work was not an assignment and personal, not university,  
>>> supplies
>> were used.
>>> But, university computers were used, implying that the work was
>> performed during normal working hours.  There is no statement about
>> "weekends, evenings and summer months" as Barbara suggested.
>>>
>>> Based on what I read, it looks like "university assisted" effort
>> because they used "paid time within the employment period" and used  
>> VSU
>> computers.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, since the phrase "other than office" is used in the
>> policy, one could define that to include a work computer, assuming  
>> that
>> no resources were used except electricity (vs. telecommunication
>> services that implies charges).  I think that mitigates the PC, but  
>> not
>> the time.
>>>
>>> Am I assessing too rigidly?
>>>
>>> George
>>
>>
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