[IPCmte-L] Hilgert Puzzle Book
Thomas J. Manning
tmanning at valdosta.edu
Wed Oct 10 17:35:15 EDT 2007
The term "directed assignment" means???? When I develop new educational material for students I was never specifically directed to do this but it is definitely part of my job. I do lots of it at home at night/weekends simply because it is easier but all of the ideas are derived from my experience at VSU. The same for research - no one ever directed me to do work in this area or that area BUT if I worked elsewhere I never would be working on the same projects - the location/situation originates and shapes the ideas.
Having receipts from stores for folders, etc is great - but where was the idea derived? If this is a university precedent - I'm not clear how a faculty member can write a book for a class he/she is teaching but say the university community was not part of molding the idea?
Also, do the authors list their home or VSU address in the book?
IMHO, tom manning
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Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [IPCmte-L] Hilgert Puzzle Book
This is also discussion not a vote.
Thank you George for you comments. I agree with your opinion.
I do not appreciate being referred to as a “roadblock” when I am asked
to protect University interest. Please see Andrew Ostapski’s letter. I
am sure that once we refine the disclosure forms to include evidence
which will support a claimed effort, the process will become much more
streamlined.
With the letter from Bob Bauer it is clear that this is not an assigned
task. I feel that we should encourage research regardless of the
location that it was completed. A portion of faculty load is to do
research. I would hate to see faculty running from campus once they
have completed teaching their classes because they were afraid that
individual efforts could be clamed by the University. We would have
more parking but not a healthy productive environment.
I see this as an individual effort. However, I am the chair of this
committee. I think that a motion should come from one of the members.
Thank you,
Hollis
George Gaumond wrote:
>Discussion, not a vote.
>I suspect that each of us is waiting for a first vote to get a sense of
direction.
>
>Anyway:
>1. It is clear from Bob Bauer's email that the work was not a directed
assignment.
>2. The most useful information seems to be Barbara's summary of Larry's
verbal comments.
>3. But, there does not seem to be any substantiation of Barbara's
question about the work being done during "off" hours and with personal
computers.
>4. Andy's statement about using University computers and negative
comments about bureaucratic roadblocks did not help me understand. I
did not see how "waste" would occur by being careful of separating
individual effort from university supported.
>
>My assessment:
>The work was not an assignment and personal, not university, supplies
were used.
>But, university computers were used, implying that the work was
performed during normal working hours. There is no statement about
"weekends, evenings and summer months" as Barbara suggested.
>
>Based on what I read, it looks like "university assisted" effort
because they used "paid time within the employment period" and used VSU
computers.
>
>Alternatively, since the phrase "other than office" is used in the
policy, one could define that to include a work computer, assuming that
no resources were used except electricity (vs. telecommunication
services that implies charges). I think that mitigates the PC, but not
the time.
>
>Am I assessing too rigidly?
>
>George
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